Bummer Sunday November 8, 2009
Posted by denmick in Uncategorized.trackback
The tortured final negotiations put serious cracks in Thomas Jefferson’s “wall of separation” between church and state, as abortion foes such as Pennsylvania Democrat Jason Altmire openly acknowledged that they would not vote for health-care reform legislation unless they were told it was appropriate to do so by Catholic bishops in their home districts.
Pro-choice Democrats, led by Colorado Democrat Diana DeGette, pushed back.
That created a stalemate that Pelosi sought to break by allowing a vote on an amendment to establish limits on the funding of abortions within the new framework that would be established by the Affordable Health Care for America Act. Pro-choice Democrats opposed the amendment, with Illinois Democrat Jan Schakowsky, the co-chair of the Congressional Women’s Caucus, urging her colleagues to vote against the move to restrict a woman’s right to chose and force many women to pay more their insurance.
Said Schakowsky:
This amendment goes far beyond current law which already bans the use of federal funding for abortions. It goes far beyond the language already in this bill that guarantees no federal dollars are used for abortion. This amendment says that a woman CANNOT purchase coverage that includes abortion services using her own dollars; middle class women, using exclusively their own money will be prohibited from purchasing a plan including abortion coverage in every single public OR PRIVATE INSURANCE PLAN in the new health care exchange. Her only option is to buy a separate insurance policy that covers only abortion – a ridiculous and unworkable approach since no woman anticipates needing an abortion. This amendment is a radical departure from current law and will result in millions of women losing coverage they already have.
This health reform bill is about improving access to care, not further restricting a woman’s right to choose. Our bill is about lowering health care costs for millions of women and their families, not further marginalizing women by forcing them to pay more for their care. This amendment is a back door way of overturning Roe v. Wade; it is a disservice and insult to millions of women throughout our country. I urge my colleagues to vote against this amendment.
Despite Schakowsky’s appropriately impassioned argument, the amendment was approved on a vote of 240 to 194. Sixty-four Democrats voted with 176 Republicans to attach the amendment that De Gette condemned as “the greatest restriction of a woman’s right to choose” passed by Congress “in our career.”
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What a steaming pile! Put religion back in church where it belongs! It’s not bad enough that the insurance companies will reap huge profits but this will create a whole new system of punishment for those who do not conform to fascistic principles.
The founders of our country are spinning in their graves.
As well they should be spinning. This is no longer they country they envisioned. We have gone the way of Communist Russia and Cuba.
Did you ever visit Communist Russia Ty? I did in 1978. And again in 1988. That’s all I have to say on the subject. Statements like yours are meaningless opinions. I’m sorry but you don’t have a clue as to what the Russian people had to contend with-it wasn’t pretty. It will be a cold day in hell before “we” ever have to live like those poor people had to live.
Obama legacy:
United States of Socialist Republics.
Ty, I don’t understand why people like you choose to see things so wrong. Providing affordable health care for the people of our country is a good thing and should be cheered. It will help save this country.
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I can’t wait to see how the abortion issue turns out when they finally get to a real health care bill. It sure better be back in there. If it isn’t, I sure hope the media plasters all the stories of women dying in the back alleys all over the place.
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Nice couple days here. Warmish. Got on the fixed tractor yesterday and did in more leaves. Lady bugs are flocking to the house exterior and there is always, ALWAYS a few that find their way in here.
Requiring the American People to buy insurance is the thing that scares me. And I don’t think they should fine companies that don’t provide health insurance for their employees. Neither of those things will make anything better.
Lindsey Graham came right out and said why he doesn’t want the public option. Because it will put insurance companies out of business. And the problem with that is…..what? They’ll still be in business, Lindsey, they just won’t be king of all they survey anymore.
What matters most, Linsdey, is the American People. Not a handful of insurance companies. Oh, except they give you politicians your campaign money. (too bad)
Get ready for mediocraty in the health field. No longer is there incentive to be the best brain surgeon, the best heart surgeon, the best anything. The best will be paid what the worst will be paid. Also no need to specialize. After all, there will be no extra pay. All those foreign doctors that come here to practice do so for a reason. Because they are good and they can be paid what they are worth. Might as well go back home now. Any veterans out there? This is the VA on steroids. You may get good care when you receive it, that is if you live long enough. If you want socialized medicine, go to Canada or Cuba. Oh, thats right. The wait is too long. Wonder why?
Ty, actually one of the problems with medicene is there are too many specialists and not enough family practice/general practice doctors. One of the many causes for an increased cost for health care! I’m not saying this, the AMA is saying it.
This has got to be an early April Fools joke
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Nov. 8 (Bloomberg) — Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez told the military and civil militias today to prepare for war as a deterrent to a U.S.-led attack after American troops gained access to military bases in neighboring Colombia. Chavez said a recently signed agreement that gives American troops access to seven Colombian bases is a direct threat to his oil-exporting country. Colombia has handed over its sovereignty to the U.S. with the deal, he said. “Generals of the armed forces, the best way to avoid a war is to prepare for one,” Chavez said in comments on state television during his weekly “Alo Presidente” program. “Colombia handed over their country and is now another state of the union. Don’t make the mistake of attacking: Venezuela is willing to do anything.”
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Chavez fears an attack from Obama? Just goes to prove how big of an idiot he is. Obama couldn’t stomache watching the horrible election returns last Tuesday. Now he is going to attack Venezuela? These idiots deserve each other.
Unfortunately, the bloom has already faded from last night’s so-called House “triumph.”
The House bill, as it is written, is DOA in the Senate. So, there’s still a lot of wrangling ahead. Gawd, sausage-making is an icky process!
If citizens are mandated to buy coverage from for-profit private insurance companies, I think that stinks. If the government provides a Medicare-style program that citizens can buy into, that’s another matter.
Too bad Pelosi broke her promise to Dennis Kucinich.
Oh, well. No matter what passes, if anything finally does, it won’t take effect ’til 2013. I read that a majority of Americans are unaware that it will take over three years for anything meaningful to kick in, if it ever does.
Ty said, “Get ready for mediocraty in the health field. No longer is there incentive to be the best brain surgeon, the best heart surgeon, the best anything.”
Baloney. Doctors in countries with national health care systems have excellent, WELL-PAID doctors just like we do.
You are exactly right about doctors in other countries, Carol. I do wonder why Ty wants people to crowd the emergency rooms of our hospitals (which is the most expensive treatments to be paid) because they can’t afford health care insurance? Is he suggesting that “those” people pull themselves up by their boot-straps and get a JOB so they might pay for health insurance out of their minimum wage paychecks?
Where is the humanity in his thinking?
Where is the humanity in his thinking?
The $64,000 question!